Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training) (14:03): As I just said, each of the five different pilot programs are different programs. They have different approaches are applied to them. They are piloting different models of alternative delivery. They undertake different approaches. Some of them are trialling alternative variations on the way apprentices are trained. Others are trialling, as this does, a completely alternative approach, in a way, to the training of apprentices. I told Senator Cameron at the end of question time yesterday that appropriate qualifications are delivered, appropriate trade licences are met. In the end— Senator Cameron: What about a trade certificate? Senator BIRMINGHAM: Senator Cameron, I refer you to my answer at the end of question time yesterday that, of course, all licensing requirements are met for those graduates who meet the qualifications under this program. They will receive two certificates. They will receive a couple of qualifications that will then be recognised in terms of their licensing requirements within the South Australian government, all of which has been detailed quite clearly in the program guidelines. (Time expired)