Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training) (14:57): We have the slurring occurring again from those opposite, slurring that is of course completely unjustified when we are trying to tackle a real problem in relation to the apprenticeship decline that happened under their watch. There is a real challenge to come up with new and better ways to ensure the delivery of training and apprenticeships and opportunities for young Australians. Those opposite want to talk about different types of programs that might be funded. The types of programs that really— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. A point of order, Senator Cameron? Senator Cameron: Yes, again on relevance. Given the minister cannot advise the Senate whether these young people will get a trade certificate, given that he does not know what the outcome will be, I have simply asked: is this a program to have kept that crossbencher happy? The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. That was, basically, repeating the question. Senator BIRMINGHAM: Indeed, the question went much further than that, as well. The reality is those opposite come in here and want to criticise a program that is trying to provide real training places and real opportunities for young Australians into the future, yet they were a government that thought it was okay to fund trade union officials to go out and promote things like the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal. They thought a $220,000 awareness campaign to fund union officials to promote a tribunal like that was a worthwhile use of taxpayers' money. I would rather back training funding for students. (Time expired)