Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) (14:39): My question is to the Minister for Education and Training, Senator Birmingham. I refer to the minister's response to question on notice 108 given on 14 October, regarding the Apprenticeship Training-alternative delivery pilots program, in which he said: 'I have not met with MBA, NECA or North East Vocational College about the program.' Does the minister stand by his answer?