Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Attorney-General, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:53): Senator Cameron, there are many people who I approach to be judges or members of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal whom I know personally. There are many because, frankly, there are very few prominent members of the legal profession—certainly, in my own home city of Brisbane—whom I do not know personally. It is hardly a disqualification for a person who is a suitable candidate for judicial office that they happen to know the Attorney-General of the day. Senator Cameron: I raise a point of order. The PRESIDENT: Attorney-General, have you concluded your answer? Senator Brandis: Yes. The PRESIDENT: Do you still wish to raise a point of order, Senator Cameron? Senator Cameron: It was on relevance. There were two aspects to the question. One was that the Attorney-General address the issue of many years' knowledge— Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— Senator Cameron: but he did not go to the issue of donations to the Liberal Party. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, there is no point of order. The Attorney-General did address the question and he had concluded. Senator Bilyk, did you have a point of order? Senator Bilyk: Mr President, I overheard Senator Macdonald calling Senator Cameron 'a disgusting excuse for a human being', and it is the second time I have heard in the past few minutes. I would like him to withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Senator Macdonald, if you did make an unparliamentary comment, I would appreciate it if you would withdraw. Senator Ian Macdonald: Well, I certainly did use those words, Mr President, and I stand by them. But if you say they are unparliamentary, I will withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Macdonald. Senator O'Sullivan. Senator O'Sullivan: Mr President, I used them too, and I will withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator O'Sullivan.