Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Employment and Minister for Women) (14:28): I have to say to Senator Cameron: why do you hate volunteers? Why do you hate volunteers? There are 60,000 volunteers in Victoria— The PRESIDENT: Order. Pause the clock. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides. Senator Cameron, a point of order. Senator Cameron: Thanks, Mr President. The minister should withdraw that remark. I cannot be accused of hating volunteers. The PRESIDENT: That is not a point of order. Senator Cameron: They have saved my community. I just don't accept the rubbish that we are getting here. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator CASH: We have heard the concerns of Lucinda Nolan, the former CEO of the CFA. She stood up for the volunteers and was forced out by the union and the Victorian government. Then, of course, we had the independent board of the CFA. This is what they said: The proposed EBA undermines volunteers, our culture, allows the UFU operational and management control of CFA and is discriminatory. Now, Mr President, shortly after making that statement, do you know what happened to the board? They were sacked by the Andrews government because they would not side with the UFU. They wanted to stand up for themselves and the 60,000 volunteers they support. Joe Buffone, another victim of the deal with the UFU, again—(Time expired) The PRESIDENT: A final supplementary question, Senator Paterson.