Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Defence) (14:35): As I said to the senator in response to his initial question, the contract was in fact signed with Australian Defence Apparel on 30 April 2015. Having made that visit to Australian Defence Apparel and spoken to a large number of— Senator Kim Carr: So you lied to them! The PRESIDENT: Order! Withdraw that, Senator Carr. Senator PAYNE: Mr President, I seek that Senator Carr withdraw that remark. The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, you will have to withdraw that. Senator Kim Carr: I withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Thank you. Senator Kim Carr: So you didn't tell them the truth! Is that the story, then? The PRESIDENT: Order! After asking you to withdraw the first statement, you are implying the same thing with your second statement. I will not ask you to withdraw; I just make that observation. Senator PAYNE: I am very happy to respond to the question— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Minister! Senator Wong, I think I have dealt with that matter. Senator Wong: Mr President, a point of order: I would ask you to consider the Hansard of today's question time. You refused to require the withdrawal of an assertion that Senator Cameron hates volunteers. I ask you to consider whether the standard you are now applying on this issue is identical. The PRESIDENT: As I always do, Senator Wong, I will review the question time Hansard. Senator PAYNE: I have actually forgotten the question! Senator Cameron: It is no laughing matter if you have lost your job. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cameron. Senator PAYNE: If you take the time to visit Australian Defence Apparel, as I have, and you see the work that is being done in relation to the standard dress uniforms—the thousands and thousands of uniforms that are being produced on the floor of the factory there in Bendigo—then you will be very impressed with the work that is being done, as I was. You will be very impressed with the pride that the workers take in dressing the Australian Defence Force, as I was. As we announce in 2016 when we release the defence white paper— (Time expired)