Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Attorney-General, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:15): The Turnbull government's policy is to ensure that we have the best quality tertiary education sector that this nation can afford while at the same time, through our FEE-HELP arrangements, ensuring that economic background or economic circumstances present no barrier to entry to any university for any young Australian man or woman. That is what we care about. Unfortunately, for the Labor Party it is an either/or proposition, but we on our side of politics know— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance to Senator Dodson's questions. It was a very short question. It talked about deregulation of fees and whether that was the government's policy. I would like to see whether that could be brought to the attention of the minister. The PRESIDENT: The minister was asked to confirm about deregulation. The minister is still answering the question, and I believe he was relevant and leading up to the question. I invite the minister to continue. Senator BRANDIS: We do not believe it is an either/or proposition. We believe you can have a world-leading tertiary education sector as we do and at the same time have equity of access so that background social and economic disadvantage is no barrier to entry by designing FEE-HELP schemes whereby students can make a contribution but they repay that contribution when they are in a position to do so. (Time expired)