Senator KIM CARR (Victoria) (14:53): My question without notice is to the Minister representing the Minister for Industry, Innovation and Science, Senator Sinodinos. Can the minister confirm that, since the government's released its much hyped innovation and science statement, the CSIRO has started assessing the value of its science on the basis of how much external revenue its so-called business units can generate? Does the Turnbull government endorse this approach to measuring the value of publicly funded science?