Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Defence) (14:30): Thank you, Mr President. I am not even sure I heard the question. Senator Wong: I am happy to repeat it. The PRESIDENT: Minister, are you seeking for the question to be repeated? Senator PAYNE: No, I am not, Mr President. The PRESIDENT: Fine, you have the call, Minister. Senator PAYNE: It is fair to say I have heard it all before. What those opposite do not understand is that the advertisements to which they refer talk about Australia with an acquisition program for 12 submarines. That would be the difference between the people sitting on this side and the people sitting over there—an actual acquisition program for 12 submarines. That would be the difference between nought jobs delivered by those over there and what will be thousands of jobs delivered by this government in shipbuilding in Australia.