Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training) (14:30): Senator Dastyari does not appear to be very good at listening, because I have made it very clear the government is not proposing that anybody be required to offer short-session services. Providers can have their own opinions and they will, of course, make their decisions based upon their opinions. I would, in relation to workforce questions, make the point to Senator Dastyari that, at present, childcare providers and early learning service operators who operate for 10 and 12 hours a day— Senator Jacinta Collins: You mean long day care providers? Senator BIRMINGHAM: Actually, Senator Collins, they quite like to be called early education or early learning providers. Long day care is another term. They like education and learning to be put into the title as well. They, of course, do provide and do employ people across different shifts throughout the day. They do not employ employees who sit there for 12-hour sessions throughout the day, so shift work is already part of the operation of those businesses— (Time expired)