Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training) (14:28): As I think I explained to Senator Dastyari yesterday, the government has no proposal to require any childcare or early learning providers to move to short-session billing or to move to hourly rates of pay. That is entirely a commercial business decision for those providers, and it is up to those providers to then of course make decisions— Senator Dastyari: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. The question specifically asked whether the government has done any analysis of the impact on the workforce of moving to short-session billing. The PRESIDENT: I will let the minister continue his answer. He has only just commenced his answer. He has one minute and 37 seconds. Senator BIRMINGHAM: Thanks, Mr President. To assume the government would have done analysis would be to perhaps assume that the government was going to require somebody to do something. The government is not requiring anybody to do something. Therefore, I am very happy— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left. Senator BIRMINGHAM: If I can get some quiet from those opposite, who seem to wish to continually rephrase their questions through interjections across the chamber— Senator Wong: Sorry; naughty Penny! Senator BIRMINGHAM: Indeed, Senator Wong. I am very happy to give very clear answers to Senator Dastyari. Implicit in Senator Dastyari's questions is the concept that the government might be requiring short-session billing. The government will not be requiring short-session billing or arrangements. That is a commercial business decision that childcare providers can undertake if they believe that will provide a better service for families. Given the government is not requiring anybody to undertake these types of things, the government has not done such analysis, because there is no reason for the government to undertake analysis for something that we are not proposing or requiring people to do. That is an option that people may choose to do if they believe it will provide enhanced opportunities to families. Ultimately, of course, what I hope providers do is provide the best possible services of early learning and child care to families under the flexible arrangements that this government is providing for them to do so.