Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Employment and Minister for Women) (14:19): In relation to Senator Ketter's proposition that the Turnbull government is going to cut penalty rates, I again confirm for the chamber that we are not. Our position is very clear: it is for the Fair Work Commission to set penalty rates; it is not for the government. But thank you for giving me the opportunity to once again confirm, for the benefit of this place and for the benefit of those listening, that the only person with form in this parliament— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Order on both sides. Senator Conroy: I know there are a few beginners over there, Mr President, but— The PRESIDENT: You are on one side too, Senator Conroy. I said both sides. Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Wong, you have your manager on her feet. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order going to relevance. The minister did come close to the second part of the question, but the first part was clearly: can the minister confirm that Australian workers are facing the lowest wages growth in two decades? I do not believe the minister has gone close to that question. The PRESIDENT: Yes, the minister was answering the second part. The minister has been relevant, and she has 26 seconds in which to answer the question. Senator CASH: In relation to those employees of Cleanevent, once Mr Shorten had finished with them their wages were far lower than they would have been if he had not struck a deal, paid the employer 25 grand, and ensured that he was able to add them to his AWU membership list.