Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Employment and Minister for Women) (14:17): As the Minister for Employment in the Turnbull government, our position is very clear. My position is the government's position, and the government's position is that it is for the Fair Work Commission to set penalty rates. The only reason that those on the other side are raising the issue of penalty rates is that they have no plan for employment in this country. We know that because they have spent most of this year playing to the puppet masters in the CFMEU in relation to the implementation of the China free trade agreement. Those on the other side are beholden to their union masters. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Conroy, you have a colleague on her feet. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order going to relevance. The only question was: does the minister agree with the former Treasurer, Mr Hockey, who believes penalty rates are profit murder? That was the very straightforward question. I do not believe the minister has come close to that. The PRESIDENT: I concur on the way the question was structured. Minister, you have 24 seconds in which to answer the question, and I remind you of the question. Senator CASH: Again, the position of the government—which, as the Minister for Employment, is my position—is that the only body that sets penalty rates in Australia is the Fair Work Commission.