Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate, Minister for Communications, Minister for the Arts and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Digital Government) (14:58): Let me put a fairly straightforward proposition to colleagues in the chamber. What would colleagues around the chamber—indeed, let's talk more broadly: who would members of the community—have more confidence in: a plan which was produced and overseen by former communications minister Malcolm Turnbull or one that was prepared and overseen by Senator Conroy? Senator Cormann interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Order, Senator Cormann! Senator Cormann: Do you remember the red underpants? The PRESIDENT: Order! Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong and Senator Cormann and Senator Conroy! Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance. Could you draw the minister's attention to the question that was asked—because it had no relevance to the answer he gave. The PRESIDENT: I will remind the minister of the question and remind him that he has 26 seconds in which to answer. Senator FIFIELD: Again I say: what would people have more confidence in—the Conroy plan or the Turnbull plan? The PRESIDENT: Order, Minister. I did bring your attention to the question. I would ask you to address the question. Senator FIFIELD: Mr President, I had got barely 10 words out before there was a point of order. This is the first time that we actually have a good handle on costs, because we have done the work and NBN has done the work. Those opposite did not. So we have a better handle on costs. (Time expired)