Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:30): Labor's chutzpah really is quite extraordinary. They make a complete mess of the budget, they put Australia on an unsustainable and unaffordable spending growth trajectory, and then they criticise this government because we are not fixing their problem fast enough. Labor locked in structural spending increases in legislation across a whole range of areas. Spending under this government is lower than it would have been under Labor, I can tell you that for certain. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Moore, on a point of order? Senator Moore: Mr President, I raise a point of order on direct relevance. This was a really direct question. The minister has not even got close to it. Has spending as a percentage of GDP increased under this finance minister. We have not heard the words 'GDP' mentioned yet. Could we get an answer to the question? The PRESIDENT: I thought the minister's answer was creative, but I remind him of the question. He has 32 seconds left in which to answer. Senator CORMANN: Thank you very much, Mr President. Spending under this government is lower than it would have been under Labor. Look no further than the Intergenerational report, which showed that spending under Labor, as a share of GDP, was on track to be in excess of 30 per cent of GDP. We have reduced spending growth of 3.6 to 3.7 per cent above inflation to just 1.5 per cent above inflation. Labor is trying to have it both ways in this debate. They are trying to say that we are cutting too hard and that we are spending too much. People across Australia know that you do not know how to manage money and that we have to fix up your mess yet again. (Time expired)