Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:42): I thank Senator Wang for his question before that rather extraordinary event just before the end of my last question. I was going to say to you that CSIRO is of course an independent body. They will make decisions about how they think the organisation can best go forward. The merger with NICTA, clearly, is from the board's view an appropriate way forward for both organisations. Like you, I would hope that they would manage any potential job losses on the way through. In relation to your broader question, the relationship between— Senator Conroy: The silence isn't helping! Senator RONALDSON: I am sorry, Senator, but there are some in this chamber who refuse to grow up, and I will continue with my answer. (Time expired)