Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:28): To suggest that the clergy, whoever they may or may not have been, represented the view of all clergy is, with respect, as the senator must know, not the view of clergy. She would have done herself and the campaign she supports more justice if she would have had the decency and integrity to say 'some clergy'. That is where, regrettably, in this debate— Senator Kim Carr: That's a huge point—devastating! Senator ABETZ: Once again we have Senator Carr bellowing out, showing all the tolerance that they expect from others in this debate and that they will not afford to those that might not agree with them. That is, if I might say— Senator Lines: Just say it's never going to happen! Senator ABETZ: And Senator Lines represents the ugliness of that as well, in this chamber and in the community. What I would say to Senator Rice and others is: accept the view that there are differing views within the clergy— (Time expired)