Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:05): As Graham Richardson said, Kim Carr lives in a parallel universe. He is now squealing about loss of jobs—jobs that we actually want to protect and jobs that we will protect by bringing forward this naval building plan to. But, for Senator Carr, who sat on his hands for six years, to do nothing at all means that Graham Richardson is absolutely right. He is completely— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order going to relevance to this particular question. This question is about the idea that there would be enough work if it could be relocated and that it would be able to keep Williamstown alive. That is the question, and half the time is gone. I just thought it might be useful to draw that question to the minister's attention. The PRESIDENT: Minister, I remind you of the question. You have 28 seconds in which to answer. Senator RONALDSON: I was asked about naval shipbuilding jobs. What I said to the chamber was that under the former government, there was nothing at all; under this government, there will be. We are determined to build and protect this vital industry in this country and we will not be lectured to by those opposite, who did absolutely nothing at all in six years—did not build, no plans, no plan whatsoever.