Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Assistant Minister for Education and Training) (14:22): There is not enough time in 60 seconds to outline all of the areas of support for our government's higher education reform package. Universities Australia stands shoulder to shoulder with the government on this— Senator Kim Carr: Really? Senator BIRMINGHAM: with 40 of the 41— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: On my left! Senator BIRMINGHAM: vice-chancellors supporting reform. But do not just listen— Senator Kim Carr interjecting— Senator BIRMINGHAM: If those opposite do not want to listen to the universities and they do not want to listen to— Senator Kim Carr interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr! Senator BIRMINGHAM: Senator Carr needs to calm down or he will pop a button on his waistcoat. Senator Kim Carr interjecting— Senator BIRMINGHAM: If they do not want to listen to the university sector, perhaps they could listen to the Labor figures: John Dawkins, Maxine McKew or Peter Beattie, who said today in The Australian: … without funding reform, Australia’s universities will inevitably slip towards mediocrity and the quality of … Australian graduates … will decline in relation to our international competitors … This is the Labor Party speaking and advocating for reform. Why doesn't the modern Labor Party get on board and support it? (Time expired)