Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:17): Mr Murray is a fine man. And do you know what? When you are having a national conversation you actually want to hear a diversity of views. We have people from the Labor side who think it is a good idea to let people have access to their super to access their first home, as we have people on the coalition side—indeed, I think that Senator Canavan has pursued similar proposals in the past. And also Senator Xenophon, indeed—and I see him nodding, not from his chair. There is a whole range of people who have put a range of diverse views. But the government is actually very keen to engage with all the good people across Australia. We are not here dismissing views that are right from the top. My personal views are well known. I have put them on the record in the past. There is no government proposal on the table, but I see that the Labor Party is very uncomfortable about having a national conversation about anything. It is time that the Labor Party actually started focusing on public policy. Senator Conroy: Mathias, there was a bloke who looks just like you at the grand prix yesterday! The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Conroy—there is someone who looks like you in the chamber!