Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:56): The Prime Minister made a promise to the Australian people that we would get the budget back into shape. Part of getting the budget back into shape has required us to consider an efficiency dividend. Indeed, anybody— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Cameron: Why don't you say you just told lies? The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, we are waiting on you— Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: and Senator Conroy. Senator ABETZ: A one per cent efficiency dividend should not be beyond the wit of any manager of an enterprise to be able to achieve without cutting the services or programs. We say that you can make those savings in the back office operations. Indeed, one of our tasks as a government—and I remind honourable senators on that side that they still do not get it. After having delivered the biggest legacy of deficit and debt that this country has ever seen, they still do not get that every single dollar that a government spends first has to be taken out of the pockets of one of our fellow Australians. When the Labor Party say that they do not want efficiency dividends, they are saying that they do not want the ABC— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. A point of order, Senator Moore? Senator Moore: Yes, on direct relevance, Mr President. The specific question was around the status of the promise of no cuts to the ABC. The PRESIDENT: Senator Moore, the minister was addressing that in his opening remarks in the answer to the question. Senator ABETZ: You always know when the Labor Party are under stress because they will come up with a point of order to try to stop the flow of information to the Australian people. Let us be very clear: every single dollar that we as a government spend first has to come out of the pocket of one of our fellow Australians. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Wong: 'We broke the promise.' That is the answer: 'We broke the promise.' The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong! Senator ABETZ: Depicted by the person— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Abetz, you do not have the call at the moment. Order! Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: He is not the only one in the chamber, Senator Conroy. Senator ABETZ: Every single dollar that we as a government spend, first of all has to come out of the pockets of our fellow Australians. That is why any prudent government would seek to ensure that every single government enterprise is run in an efficient manner. Why is it that the Labor Party are against an efficiency dividend of one per cent on the ABC? (Time expired) Senator Wong: Why did you lie? The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, that is disorderly.