Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:05): I invite Senator Wong to read what a former Australian trade minister engaged in these negotiations, Mr Crean, said. He said that he wholeheartedly welcomed the agreement. A former ACTU president no less has welcomed this agreement. Can I confirm— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong! Minister, there is a point of order. Senator Moore. Senator Moore: Mr President, I have a point of order that goes to direct relevance. As the minister continued speaking when I was standing, he may have been getting to it; if I have pre-empted his answer, I apologise. Nonetheless, I have a point of order that goes to direct relevance in relation to Senator Wong's question about labour market testing. The PRESIDENT: Senator Moore, I note your comments and your point of order. I call the minister. Senator ABETZ: Clearly a former ACTU president has welcomed this agreement— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Wong. Senator Wong: Mr President, I think every senator— Senator Ian Macdonald: Do you have a point of order or are you just having a chat? The PRESIDENT: Order on my right! Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order that goes to relevance. Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Macdonald! Senator Wong: Thank you, Mr President. I think senators are entitled to have ministers at least be relevant to the question. What I would say to you, Mr President, is that I have asked a very simple question: will employers be required to undertake labour market testing before they are able to employ Chinese contractors under the FTA? I would ask you, Mr President, as President of the Senate, to remind the minister of the question. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left and my right! Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. I want to do what the Leader of the Opposition did. I just want to stand up and have a bit of a chat, without raising a point of order, as the Leader of the Opposition did. The PRESIDENT: Senator Macdonald, Senator Wong did raise a point of order on relevance. I call the minister. Senator ABETZ: Mr President, as the Leader of the Opposition well knows, the investment facilitation arrangement— Senator Wong: That is not what I am asking about. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, cease interjecting. Senator ABETZ: Mr President, if I could get out more than half a sentence at any time it would be of some benefit. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Pause the clock. Order on both sides! Senator ABETZ: As Senator Wong well knows or should know as the shadow minister for trade, under our arrangements employers will be expected to demonstrate an ongoing labour market need before being able to sponsor overseas workers. (Time expired)