Senator NASH (New South Wales—Deputy Leader of The Nationals in the Senate and Assistant Minister for Health) (14:06): Isn't it interesting that the shadow Assistant Treasurer actually supports a co-pay? Let me just share this with the chamber: But there's a better way of operating a health system, and the change should hardly hurt at all. As economists have shown, the ideal model involves a small co-payment - not enough to put a dent in your weekly budget, but enough to make you think twice before you call the doc. And the idea is hardly radical. That is from your shadow Assistant Treasurer. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order again going to relevance. We only have a minute for this particular answer. It is halfway through. We have not got close to the question, which is about the impact on the elderly and those with chronic health conditions. The minister has gone nowhere near it. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator Nash is being generally relevant to the portfolio and the question. Senator Nash, you have the call. Senator NASH: The best way those opposite could assist the elderly and indeed all people across Australia is to support this government getting rid of the carbon tax, which is putting such a huge impost on people. Those opposite claim that they are worried about the cost to people. Get rid of the carbon tax. That will assist them all. (Time expired)