Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:51): The flippant nature of that question, when the legacy— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Johnston, resume your seat. Order! If you wish to debate it— Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: On my right! If you wish to debate it, the time is after the finish of question time. Senator JOHNSTON: The flippancy of that question about jobs, employment in regional councils, when this government is confronted with $1 billion in interest every month, highlights the fact that, over there, they do not give a fig about regional people, about jobs and— The PRESIDENT: Senator Johnston, resume your seat. Senator Tillem has got to his feet. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator Tillem: On a point of order, Mr President— The PRESIDENT: No, I understand why you are on your feet, Senator Tillem, but you are entitled to be heard in silence. Senator Tillem: The question was in relation to which services ought to be cut. It was a very simple question, Mr President, and there is no relevance in the answer that the minister is giving. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order at this stage. The minister— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Johnston, resume your seat. When there is silence on both sides, we will proceed. There is no point of order at this stage. The minister still has 26 seconds, and I cannot instruct the minister how to answer the question. Senator JOHNSTON: There should be no need for those cuts, because, as I said yesterday and today, an additional $350 million for the Black Spot Program— Senator Wong interjecting— Senator JOHNSTON: And of course we all have to put up with the carping of the Leader of the Opposition. It is just unbelievable how irrelevant she really is to this whole issue, because $200 million is there for the Black Spot Program. I have said most of the coverage— (Time expired)