Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:03): I agree with Senator Macdonald about the need to abolish the carbon tax. I agree with Senator Macdonald about the need to abolish the mining tax. I agree with Senator Ian Macdonald about the need to ensure that we have a proper framework for the live export trade, and— Senator Moore: Mr President, I raise a very personal point of order in terms of relevance. In terms of the process, we would like to know whether the minister agrees with Senator Macdonald not on all those other things but particularly on the comments that I asked. The PRESIDENT: I do draw the minister's attention to the question, and there are 39 seconds remaining, Minister. Senator ABETZ: What I was wanting to show and put on public display is that the things that unite Senator Ian Macdonald and myself are a lot greater than the very few issues on which we might part company. That was the purpose of my introduction to that answer, because Senator Ian Macdonald is a great contributor to this place, a wonderful contributor— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Abetz, resume your seat as you are entitled to be heard in silence. Senator Cameron: Senator Macdonald has carved youse up! Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! On my right and on my left! Senator Abetz. Senator ABETZ: Mr President, reaching across the political divide, I agree with Senator Mark Bishop's observations about how Labor Party policies were destroying his home state of Western Australia. That does not mean I agree with everything he said, but I do agree with that. (Time expired) Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: When there is silence on both sides we will proceed.