Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:59): What did I find on SEA 1000, the submarine project, upon being appointed defence minister? I found that virtually nothing had been done on that project, but, worse, the future funding in the DCP out to 2030 had been raided and ripped off by Labor so that the funding for that particular program had been ripped off. Senator Kim Carr: So was it a lie then or is it a lie now? Which is it? The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Carr, that is disorderly. You need to withdraw. Senator Kim Carr: I withdraw. Were you lying then or not? The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator JOHNSTON: What else did I find about Labor's future well-touted, big-splash programs? Senator Conroy: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. The question was very simple: will you repeat your promise to build 12 submarines in Adelaide today, right now? That was the question. The PRESIDENT: I draw the minister's attention to the question. The minister has 29 seconds remaining. Senator JOHNSTON: What else did I find? I found the Air Warfare Destroyer Program $300 million down the gurgler. What I promise about submarines is: there will be no capability gap, in spite of the abject mismanagement of the Labor Party.