Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:56): The simple answer to the senator—if he had any real understanding of this portfolio—is that we urgently require two replenishment ships, because for six years they did nothing. When we came to power—and the reason for the air warfare destroyer problem is actually sitting at the opposition leader's table—we promised we would build three air warfare destroyers. After two rebaselinings and a productivity level that is off the planet—we set it at 80 man hours per tonne—what do you think ASC are delivering on? One hundred and fifty man hours per tonne. This is not a blank cheque from the taxpayer. If the senator understood that a 20,000-tonne or 26,000-tonne vessel cannot be built in the Hunter or down at Williamstown—because the only place we can build a 6,000-tonne air warfare destroyer is in Adelaide—he would realise that we have two ships yet to be constructed; there is nowhere to build them; and there is no productivity at the moment justifying such an outlay. You want— Senator Conroy: You have got 30 seconds to go. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Conroy! Senator JOHNSTON: You want us to do something you refused to do. What happened to the replacement for Aurora Australis? It went offshore because you refused to back an Australian build. You know it. It is all very well for the Leader of the Opposition to stand up there in Williamstown and bleat and complain about the valley of death—hypocrisy, thy home is over there. Senator Conroy: You promised to protect Australian jobs. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Conroy, interjections are disorderly. If you wish to debate the issue, you can debate it at the end of question time.