Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate, Vice-President of the Executive Council, Minister for Arts and Attorney-General) (14:51): As I have said, I have never read anything Mr Toben has said but I am aware of his views from press reports. The views that I have heard attributed to Mr Toben are absolute rubbish. I wonder, Senator Singh, if you are going to take this seriously, why you would delay the time of the Australian Senate by quoting a nutter like Fredrick Toben. But I will tell you who I do agree with. I do not agree with Mr Toben but I do agree with President Barack Obama, who said last week in relation to the Donald Sterling case: When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to do anything. You just let them talk. And that’s what happened here. That is the difference between our approach and your's, Senator Singh: people who believe in objectionable ideas should be exposed. Senator Cameron interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cameron, I am waiting to give Senator Singh the call. Senator Cameron: Bad luck, bad luck. The PRESIDENT: Order!