Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:46): I would assume it was the same person who authorised two FA18s, several helicopters and a couple of heavy lift aircraft in the Labor Party's launch of the ill-fated 2013 white paper, at a cost to taxpayers of several hundred thousand dollars! The shadow minister wants to take issue with this in the face of the profligacy of the Labor Party, with planes and helicopters and ships that we observed—all while there was not one red cent in the white paper of 2013. The chapter dealing with budget finance and funding did not have one single dollar figure in it. This Defence portfolio— Senator Moore: On a point of order— Senator JOHNSTON: Oh, I'm not being relevant! The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Johnston! Senator Moore: Mr President, my point of order is on relevance. The specific question is about a Liberal Party logo and defining information about the Liberal Party as a backdrop to this particular event. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order at this stage. The minister still has 57 seconds remaining to address the question. Senator JOHNSTON: This question is from the party that now want to know what we are doing about the 'valley of death'. The only reason that is a relevant question is that in six years they did absolutely zero about the jobs—the welders, the workers, the plumbers, the electricians—involved in shipbuilding. They did nothing— Senator Moore: Mr President, my point of order is again on relevance. The question was specifically about the Liberal Party banner and logo. Could that be drawn to the attention of the minister? The PRESIDENT: Minister, I draw your attention to the question. You have 32 seconds remaining. Senator JOHNSTON: It is important to realise that in the last election there was one party that actually went to the electorate with a defence policy—a funded defence policy. What does the Labor Party bring to defence? Nothing more than an attitude to treat the portfolio as an ATM. Senator Moore: Mr President, again a point of order on relevance: it is specifically about the logo and the banner. The PRESIDENT: I have drawn the minister's attention to the question already. The minister has six seconds remaining to address the question. Senator JOHNSTON: I have no doubt it was the same person who authorised the Labor Party's use of all their props! (Time expired)