Senator DASTYARI (New South Wales) (14:17): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. Can the minister outline to the Senate the role played by her former chief of staff in the axing of the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council? Can the minister confirm that her former chief of staff and not the minister conveyed the news of the axing to the council? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! To answer the question, Senator Nash needs to be heard in silence.