Senator McLUCAS (Queensland) (14:10): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. Why did the minister claim her chief of staff had resigned as a director when he had not? Does the minister still maintain that having a chief of staff who was a director and 50 per cent shareholder of a lobbying company with industry clients who operate in her area of ministerial responsibilities is not a conflict of interest? Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— Senator Sterle: Throw him out! The PRESIDENT: Order! I remind honourable senators that interjections across the chamber are disorderly.