Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:00): I thank Senator Carr for his question. I can confirm that this government will be treating state governments and territory governments in Australia like adults and that we will be expecting them to deliver education services to their— Senator Wong: Oh, really? Allowing state and territory governments to cut funding while they don't put anything in! Senator Cormann: You just ripped money away from them, Penny! The PRESIDENT: Order! On both sides! Senator Payne is quite entitled to be heard in silence. Senator PAYNE: As I said, we will be treating state and territory governments in this country with respect and as adults, unlike those opposite, who chose to exercise almost a command-and-control approach over education in this country. But nevertheless, if the opposition are so keen to raise this issue and are so keen to talk about the sorts of concerns they have about the behaviour of state and territory governments perhaps they might want to consult with Senator Wong's colleague Mr Weatherill, who appears to have cut $230 million from the South Australian education budget, notwithstanding having an agreement with the former Commonwealth government. So if you are looking for an example, Senator Carr, that might be the one to use.