Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia) (14:33): Mr President, I ask a further supplementary question. Given the minister's complete failure to meet his own NBN targets, will the minister confirm his promise to go to the backbench if Mr Rudd is returned to the prime ministership? Has this promise resulted in a surge in support for Mr Rudd in caucus with the minister succeeding where Mr Crean and Mr Shorten and both Senators Carr and, allegedly, Senator Wong have all failed in delivering a knock-out blow to Ms Gillard's leadership? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! When there is silence on both sides—just wait a minute, Senator Conroy. Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: No, Senator Conroy, you have not got the call. You will get the call when there is silence on both sides. Order! If you wish to debate the issue, you know that the time to debate the issue is after three o'clock. Senator Conroy.