Senator CONROY (Victoria—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister on Digital Productivity) (14:43): It may come as a surprise to you but Optus's ownership and holdings of that spectrum were not a national security issue. They were well known to NBN Co. and well known to the government. At boundaries there are always issues between different networks. That is just the laws of physics. But, as to a suggestion that the rollout has stalled because of such an issue, the answer is a categorical no—absolutely wrong. The rollout is not stalled, firstly, and it is not stalled because of an interference issue at the edges of the two networks. Senator Birmingham: Are you too embarrassed, Stephen? You won't tell us because you can't tell us. The PRESIDENT: Order! When there is silence on my left, we will proceed. You get the time to debate this issue at three o'clock. Senator Conroy. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Interjecting is disorderly. The time to debate the issue is after three o'clock. Order, on both sides! I call the minister. Senator CONROY: It may come as a surprise that the laws of physics apply in this instance, but it is not a surprise to those at NBN Co. that those frequencies are the same. Optus purchased Unwired's frequency. I utterly reject— (Time expired)