Senator CONROY (Victoria—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister on Digital Productivity) (14:39): Thank you for the opportunity, Senator Boyce, and congratulations for asking a question on the day that the fixed wireless network has switched on its 25Mbps down and 5Mbps up product—a day when the people who have got access to this now have better speeds than anybody living in a metropolitan city, Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane, if they are using the copper. Senator Brandis: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance. There were two questions. Firstly, the minister was asked whether it was correct that the network has only reached 17,000 premises. Secondly he was asked, if not, would he inform the Senate how close to the 700,000 target the rollout is. They were the only two questions. Each asked for a figure. What he is saying is not directly relevant or even vaguely relevant to either of those two questions. The PRESIDENT: The minister has been going for 28 seconds, but the minister needs to address the question. Senator CONROY: Thank you, Mr President. Unlike Senator Birmingham, the good senator was not at Senate estimates when this very issue was discussed at considerable length. The answer that was given to Senator Birmingham was that it was not going to be possible to be exact, because the number of towers that were being connected was still not fixed as at 30 June and there would not be an accurate answer to that question until after 30 June. As to Senator Boyce's overarching question about when it will be finished, it is still scheduled to be finished in 2015. There are annual targets— Senator Brandis: How close are you, Stephen? Senator CONROY: I cannot help it if you do not understand what a ramp-up is, Senator Brandis—but you are the living expert; you are the treasure of the chamber! The PRESIDENT: Senator Conroy, ignore the interjections. They are disorderly. Senator CONROY: I do apologise for being distracted by Senator Brandis. The overall build is still on target for completion in 2015. There is no change to that. Getting some towers erected, due to legitimate community concerns, has taken longer than would have been hoped. Some have been appealed to the relevant authorities in different states and some have had extra negotiations but have then resourced different communities. It is slowly but surely working its way through all of those legitimate legal processes. (Time expired)