Senator LUNDY (Australian Capital Territory—Minister Assisting for Industry and Innovation, Minister for Multicultural Affairs and Minister for Sport) (14:53): The cost of IMA management and the details you have asked about will of course be updated in tonight's budget. The Gillard government is committed to implementing the recommendations of the expert panel on asylum seekers, of which reopening Manus Island and Nauru were priority recommendations to stem the flow of boats and to prevent the loss of life on dangerous journeys to Australia. As members of the expert panel have said many times, the results— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! It would be helpful if those who are talking across the chamber would cease to do so. Senator Cash: Mr President, I raise a point of order in relation to relevance. I understand that you do give ministers quite a wide ambit when they are responding to questions. However, the minister in responding to my question stated in relation to the figures that I asked for that they will be updated tonight. Well then, quite frankly, that is the end of the answer to that question and nothing further should come from the minister. The second question that I asked was whether or not the minister could confirm that a boat has or has not quite literally docked on Croker Island today. Again, the answer to that is merely a yes or a no, and no further information is required. The PRESIDENT: I cannot instruct a minister on how to answer the question. I have said that before. The minister has one minute and 30 seconds remaining to address the question. I invite the minister to address the question. Senator LUNDY: What an interesting way to approach a point of order. As I was explaining, placing the context of that question is incredibly important. As I was saying, the costing of managing boat arrivals is a complex matter. It depends on the average number of people in detention and the average length of their stay. It depends on how we hold people—whether they are held in community detention or indeed in the community on bridging visas. It depends on family size, security setting and the location of facilities. Mr President, the opposition cannot have it both ways. They cannot complain about the costs associated with the arrival rate while continuing to stand in the way of further measures recommended by the expert panel—like the Malaysia arrangement, which would have had a real impact on arrivals as part of the broader suite of measures that was recommended. The PRESIDENT: I do draw your attention to the question. Senator LUNDY: Mr President, this is directly relevant to the question. It was about additional arrivals. The PRESIDENT: Order! No, this is not for debating. I have drawn your attention to the question. You have 21 seconds remaining. Senator LUNDY: The opposition have gone from saying that they would stop the boats within months to giving no commitment that they could achieve it over the course of the next parliament. So, in asking me about recent arrivals of boats, it is entirely relevant to reflect upon the opposition's policies in this area, which are specifically and deliberately unhelpful to achieving the goals that the government has— (Time expired)