Senator WONG (South Australia—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate and Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:03): I would say that the decision to price carbon, and the view that pricing carbon was the best way to lower Australia's emissions, is something that Mr Howard as Prime Minister agreed with. In fact, this is a latter-day conversion by those opposite, who believe now, apparently, that you do not price things; what you do is that you tax people more, you tax Australian families more, in order to pay polluters in the hope that they might reduce pollution. Like John Howard, like Malcolm Turnbull— The PRESIDENT: Order! You need to refer to people in the other place by their correct title. Senator WONG: Sorry. Like Mr Howard and like Mr Turnbull, those on this side believe that pricing carbon is the most appropriate way to lower emissions.