Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:23): It is the goal I identified at the rally I attended with Senator Milne today. I made that commitment, I made it clear and I do not resile from it. We spoke to them. That is public and we adhere to it. What Senator Milne is entering into is an argument— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator BOB CARR: I am sorry, did you mention Senator Arbib? The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, ignore the interjections. Address the question and ignore the interjections Senator BOB CARR: There is only one figure in this Senate chamber who opted to be a business partner and co-investor of Senator Arbib and that is— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Carr, come to the question. Senator BOB CARR: We will deliver, as we said we will. There is a larger question about when we get to 0.7 per cent. And there is a larger question sought by those people today, those fine upstanding people, for 2020. I cannot make that commitment. I can say that, when we reach 0.5 per cent as targeted, we can make a decision about reaching 0.7 per cent. I can say that everything we have done with aid is absolutely compatible with the goals we have laid out, including the decision to sustain people bidding for asylum seeker status while they are on Australian soil from the ODA budget, as is compatible with OECD guidelines. I do not apologise for that.