Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:38): It would mean 350,000 fewer vaccinations. It would mean 35,000 mothers without a birth attendant, increasing the chances of maternal and infant mortality. It would mean close to 300,000 fewer people with clean water and sanitation. It would mean 140,000 girls and boys without schooling, 6,650 teachers would not receive training—that is, in countries like Meama or Papua New Guinea—and 3,500 people without adequate access to disability services. Honourable senators interjecting— Someone has just said the coalition no longer adheres to the policy. What an extraordinary position! It gets released in the Telegraph this morning and now they are disowning it. The PRESIDENT: Order! Order! Senator Bob Carr, resume your seat. Senator Abetz: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. Senator Bob Carr just made an assertion by pointing his finger at somebody over here. None of us said that which he asserted and it would be absolutely outrageous if that were to be allowed to remain on the Hansard in the absence of those words being spoken. That is the way they might do business in the New South Wales parliament; they do not do it that way here. Senator BOB CARR: Mr President, on the point of order: I distinctly heard a mellifluous voice from the opposition, saying into the air: 'That's not our policy.' I am trying to be fair— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! This is now debating it. Withdraw the comment and let us get on with question time. Senator BOB CARR: That is my devoutest wish, Mr President. The PRESIDENT: You are withdrawing? Senator BOB CARR: I withdraw, Mr President. So here is the coalition's policy: $800 million out of the overseas aid budget, out in the media this morning, with Tony Abbott's stamp of approval on it. But within hours it has been disowned and it is now no longer their policy—disowned this morning. (Time expired) Senator Kroger interjecting — Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Order! That is not a point of order, Senator Conroy. I know you are not taking a point of order.