Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:11): I was present at those estimates and I do not think the answer was quite as simple as has been put in that question. We made very clear that obviously in the context of the NDIS there were ongoing discussions underway currently with the states and that final decisions on funding, including the source of funding, was something that obviously needed to await the finalisation of those discussions. I would make the point also that, if you want to make political mischief with this issue, I think that is disappointing. Mr Hockey is on the record— Senator Fifield: I have a point of order on relevance, Mr President. The question was very specific as to the status of funding of the NDIS—whether there had been a commitment to fund the NDIS beyond the forward estimates. I might ask the minister to reflect on her answer. Australians with disability do not appreciate petty partisan point-scoring in relation to the issue of funding; they just want an answer. The PRESIDENT: That is debating the issue. There is no point of order. The minister is answering the question. Senator WONG: You can make petty political points; we are doing it. I would refer you to Ms Macklin's speech to the Press Club yesterday, where she gave a speech about the legislation and the parameters of the scheme. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WONG: I will take the interjection, I think from Senator Payne, about 'show us the money'. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, resume your seat. Order! Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! When the debate ceases across the chamber, we will proceed. Honourable senators interjecting — The PRESIDENT: On both sides! When there is silence on both sides we will proceed. Senator WONG: I would welcome a bipartisan approach on this issue, but, regrettably, I do not think the opposition are capable of delivering it. I will give Senator Fifield this: I think he is one of the people on that side who are committed to this issue. But regrettably his shadow Treasurer has made very clear that his commitment is lukewarm at best. On this side, as the Treasurer said in the context of the MYEFO, we expect to be able to say more on NDIS by the next budget. I look forward to you doing the same and matching the government's commitment to a National Disability Insurance Scheme.