Senator Bob Carr: The Minister for Defence has provided the following answer to the honourable senator's question: (a) As at 30 June 2012 there were 56,722 permanent ADF personnel (not including Gap Year or Reserves on Continuous Full-Time Service), consisting of the following: Navy 13,669 Army 28,833 Air Force 14,220 (b) As at 30 June 2012 there were 3,042 permanent civilian staff, both part-time and full-time in each of the three Service areas: Navy 20 Army 1,291 Air Force 931