Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:27): The senator has presented no evidence for any of those three propositions. Senator Johnston: It's an unsustainable mess. Senator BOB CARR: Where is his evidence? Where is his evidence for an adverse effect on morale? He has presented no evidence for these allegations—none at all. Senator Johnston interjecting— Senator BOB CARR: No, let me remind you what you said. You said morale in the armed forces has collapsed. You are wrong and you have presented no evidence of that—no evidence at all. Put your evidence on the table; present it in the Senate. Senator Johnston: An unsustainable mess! Senator BOB CARR: That is just a facile allegation, not supported by any data. It is a matter of public record that next year defence spending as a share of GDP— (Time expired)