Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:22): The government is proud that projects to be progressed in 2012-13 adding to this country's defence capability include the replacement of Caribou transport aircraft, consideration of the Growler airborne electronic attack capability, the acquisition of medium and heavy trucks, upgrades— Senator Johnston: Mr President, I raise a point of order on relevance. I asked specifically about training exercises for the SAS. Senator Jacinta Collins: Mr President, on the point of order: that summary of the question, which we all found very difficult to keep up with, I think is very unrealistic. Given that the minister has been on his feet for about 15 seconds I think the point of order is not relevant. The PRESIDENT: The minister has been addressing the question for 16 seconds. I will listen closely to the answer of the minister. At this stage there is no point of order. Minister, you have one minute 44 remaining. Senator BOB CARR: I repeat—upgrades to Orion maritime patrol aircraft, C130J aircraft and Anzac class ships. I repeat that there is also a planned reduction of 1,000 civilian positions in the defence department and they will be achieved primarily through natural attrition and tightening of recruitment practices. Most savings are coming from deferring some defence acquisitions and adjusting the defence capital equipment program but also from delivering further operating efficiencies. None of the savings will impede our nation's defences. The government has made its choices very carefully. There will be no adverse impact on operations at fully funded. There will be no adverse impact on military numbers: Navy, Army, Air Force. There will be no adverse implications for kit for forces about to be deployed or on deployment— Senator Abetz: Tell us about what you were asked. Senator BOB CARR: All this has been said before—and no reductions in conditions or entitlements for service personnel. The focus of the budget's capability activities will be on improving airlift, land mobility, submarines, afloat support, communications, interoperability and electronic and cyber warfare. A number of projects will also be progressed to enhance the availability and capability of the current Collins class submarines. The government has also approved $214 million for further detailed studies and analysis to inform the government's decision on the design of Australia's next submarines. (Time expired)