Senator KIM CARR (Victoria—Minister for Human Services) (14:37): I am disturbed to have to report to the Senate that whenever the Liberals are in power, and Victoria is no different, we see the same thing. They are about undermining people's capacity to get a fair go in this country. They are about undermining jobs and they are about undermining the future of people's prosperity in this country. What we are seeing is the aping of their Tory masters from London. This is a model we are seeing across the board now. We have seen 4,200 jobs go in the public sector in Victoria, $300 million cut from TAFE colleges, cuts in the Education Maintenance Allowance— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Kim Carr, you might just resume your seat for a couple of minutes. A few people are excited. When there is silence, we will proceed. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: If you wish to take up the time of question time shouting across the chamber, that is your choice. Order on both sides! Senator KIM CARR: We know that Phillip Blond and his Red Tory philosophies are now deeply embedded into the approaches being taken by conservative governments across this country. In Victoria, we have seen the Education Maintenance Allowance halved, we have seen the School Start Bonus scrapped, we have seen money ripped from working people right across the country as a result of the actions of state governments, and now we see that jobs and skills and opportunities are being ripped away. (Time expired)