Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:56): I am not quite sure what the question means, other than he might be a little bit obsessed with me, but that is okay. What I would say is this: the ABS does publish statistics on the labour market and that includes the unemployment rate, it includes— Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, I rise on a point of order going to direct relevance. I did not ask about the ABS figures; I said: does Senator Wong, as the representative minister, agree with the Roy Morgan organisation figures which show that 17.3 per cent of Australians are unemployed or underemployed? That is what I asked. Do you agree with that, Minister, or don't you? If you don't, what are your figures? The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. The minister still has 38 seconds remaining to answer the question. I have been listening to the minister's answer. I believe the minister is in order. Senator WONG: The official unemployment rate is 5.1 per cent. That reflects some softening in the labour market, as the senator may or may not know. The participation rate did also shift on a seasonally adjusted basis to 65 per cent, which is down by 0.2 per cent. If the senator is referring to the figures which are not the official unemployment rate figures, I will see if I can find any additional information to assist him on this matter.