Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:07): The significant difference between those of us on this side and those on that side is: we cost our policies, we fund our policies and we publish a budget bottom line. Senator Cormann beats his chest in here in an attempt to look better than Senator Sinodinos. One wonders: are you even on the ERC? The Expenditure Review Committee has had Senator Sinodinos added to it because your colleagues do not trust you, Senator. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I need order on both sides! The minister has 29 seconds to complete her answer. Minister, I said you need to address those parts of the question that apply to your portfolio. The other matters you can ignore. Senator WONG: The difference between us and them is: we use Treasury and Finance for costing; they use catering companies and accountants who are fined for breaching professional rules. The difference between us and them is: they have a— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong, I draw you back to the question. Senator WONG: Mr President, with respect, the question was fairly broad, and I would make this point: with $70 billion worth of savings that they have to find, four years of Medicare is what you would have to cut—and you are hiding it from the Australian people.