Senator RYAN (Victoria) (14:37): Mr President, I have a further supplementary question. Given that in 2009-10 there were over 300,000 jobs lost in the small business sector and today small business start-ups are falling at record rates— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ryan, please resume your seat. Senator Ludwig and Senator Abetz, I could not hear what was going on. I know you two are having a discussion. Senator Abetz: Would you like to name Senator Wong for once this question time? The PRESIDENT: I have, previously. You're quite welcome! I was trying to listen to Senator Ryan. Senator Abetz: I'll stop breathing and I'll start interjecting! Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my right! I am trying to listen to the questioner. The questioner is entitled to be heard in silence. Senator Ryan. Senator RYAN: Thank you, Mr President. If I may, I might start again. The PRESIDENT: Yes, you may. Senator RYAN: Given that in 2009-10 there were over 300,000 jobs lost in the small business sector and that today small business start-ups are falling at record rates and small business owners are facing increasingly high operating costs, why is the government placing even more burdens on small business, in particular through the world's biggest carbon tax? Why won't you listen to small business about that complaint?