Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister Assisting on Queensland Floods Recovery) (15:02): I thank Senator Furner for his second supplementary question, because he has identified that there are risks. Of course, there is no doubt that the biggest risk posed to longstanding health and hospital reform is those on the other side: the opposition—the Liberals and the Nationals. I have outlined the tremendous amount of investment that the Gillard Labor government is bringing to regional and rural Australia. This is in contrast to the record of Mr Tony Abbott, whose team only cut, cut, cut health and hospital funding. Mr Abbott as health minister cut $1 billion from the health budget and now Mr Sloppy Joe Hockey has got to find another $70 billion in cuts, and guess where they are going to come from? Senator Ian Macdonald: Liar! The PRESIDENT: Senator Macdonald, you will need to withdraw that. Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, because you say so, I will. But tell him to tell the truth. He is being untruthful in those comments. The PRESIDENT: I do not want a qualified withdrawal, Senator Macdonald. I am asking you to withdraw— Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, because you asked me to withdraw, I will and I do. Senator LUDWIG: Those on the other side have just demonstrated how weak they are when it comes to health and hospital services in rural and regional Australia, because all they do is mouth but they do not deliver. (Time expired) Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.