Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:29): What Mr Devereux has indicated to me and has said publicly is that he welcomes the partnership that has been developed between the Australian government and General Motors Holden which, through the deployment of our new car plan, is the saviour of the company. The results of the new car plan have been to secure the future of automotive manufacturing in this country. We have gone through the worst economic crisis that this industry has seen since the Great Depression. Mr Devereux has made it very, very clear that the support the Australian government has provided in terms of its co-investment policies has secured the future of the company in this country. This is in very, very sharp contrast with the policy of the Liberal Party which is to take $500 million out of the ATS. An opposition that went to the last election with a policy in— (Time expired) Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: When there is silence we will continue. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I just point out to those on my left that it is Senator Fawcett who is on his feet waiting to ask the question.