Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:26): I thank the senator for the question. I do enjoy the Liberal Party asking me questions about the automotive industry, given that in the debate for the establishment of the ATS they actually said it was a waste of money. And they have a current policy position to take a further $500 million out of the ATS. This is a party that has campaigned against the automotive industry for many years. This is a party that masquerades around as having great sympathy for manufacturing workers. We all know in politics that sincerity is a key commodity. As Oscar Wilde said, 'Once you can fake that you've got it made.' And that is exactly what you are about. You are about faking your sincerity and your commitment to the automotive industry. You have absolutely no leg to stand on in this regard. Senator Fawcett: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Fawcett is entitled to be heard. Senator Cameron: You know what that shows: that you're not relevant! The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cameron! Senator Fawcett. Senator Fawcett: Mr President, the point of order is very simple and straightforward: it is relevance. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 52 seconds remaining. I draw the minister's attention to the question. Senator CARR: The senator who asked me this question is relatively new. If he had a bit more experience he would have sent this question back, because this is the hospital pass that you would expect to give to a new senator. The Liberal Party had a policy at the last election— Senator Johnston: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. You have drawn this senator's attention to the question. He continues to defy you. Will you bring him to order? The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, you have 42 seconds remaining to address the question. I draw you attention to the question. Senator CARR: The Green Car Innovation Fund was a tremendous success: $500 million or thereabouts was committed, and it attracted some $2 billion in co-investment. We were obliged to take action as a result of the floods in Queensland. Not in any respect, in any way, have we removed our commitment to the automotive industry—unlike the policy of those opposite, which is to destroy the automotive industry. They have a policy right now to remove $500 million of support from the Automotive Transformation Scheme. This is an opposition that has absolutely no sympathy for Australian manufacturing— (Time expired)